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Fleep Tuque
Hi all,

I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine.  In testing, I've not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to figure out suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can chase down what's going wrong.

In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or point me to better resources for finding the answers.

QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this blog post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222  It appears many people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a reason why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to make hypergridding easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best course to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're about to install.

QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or not?  I'm finding http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers or  opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations.  So when my jump fails, I don't know if it's a problem on my end or because the region was too far away or because it's on a different version than me.   The Hypergrid Mall is another example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or version info, so when my jump fails, I don't know why.

QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!  

secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName
http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName

Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in them, is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the following is correct?

http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
http://domain.com:8002:Region Name


QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're running a compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can give it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's wrong with hypergridding out.

................

I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm obviously still confused about some things.   

Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm behind the curve..

- Chris/Fleep


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Re: Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

Gary Beck
Chris/Fleep,
    My understanding of the 4096 limit is that each of the region coordinates you are jumping to must be no more than 4095 more or less than the region coordinates you are coming from.   I've been doing a little testing with hypergrid.  My local regions were originally around 1015,1015.  I had to add a region at 5100,5100 to jump to some hypergrids.  To reach your FleepGrid I added a region at 9190,9190.  Before jumping to your hypergrid I first had to TP to  my 9190,9190 region.  Otherwise I got the message  that the destination is more than 4095 regions away.
   I've been adding hyperlinks with console commands.  Haven't had much luck using dynamic links.
   Sorry - I don't have answers for any of your questions.
- Gary Beck
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:56 PM
Subject: [Opensim-users] Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

Hi all,

I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine.  In testing, I've not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to figure out suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can chase down what's going wrong.

In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or point me to better resources for finding the answers.

QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this blog post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222  It appears many people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a reason why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to make hypergridding easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best course to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're about to install.

QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or not?  I'm finding http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers or  opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations.  So when my jump fails, I don't know if it's a problem on my end or because the region was too far away or because it's on a different version than me.   The Hypergrid Mall is another example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or version info, so when my jump fails, I don't know why.

QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!  

secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName
http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName

Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in them, is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the following is correct?

http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
http://domain.com:8002:Region Name


QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're running a compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can give it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's wrong with hypergridding out.

................

I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm obviously still confused about some things.   

Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm behind the curve..

- Chris/Fleep


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Re: Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

James Stallings II
Welcome to the (wonderful?) world of hypergrid.

These questions are almost as old as the problems they center upon, good luck getting any authoratative answers.

Cheers
James


On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Gary Beck <[hidden email]> wrote:
Chris/Fleep,
    My understanding of the 4096 limit is that each of the region coordinates you are jumping to must be no more than 4095 more or less than the region coordinates you are coming from.   I've been doing a little testing with hypergrid.  My local regions were originally around 1015,1015.  I had to add a region at 5100,5100 to jump to some hypergrids.  To reach your FleepGrid I added a region at 9190,9190.  Before jumping to your hypergrid I first had to TP to  my 9190,9190 region.  Otherwise I got the message  that the destination is more than 4095 regions away.
   I've been adding hyperlinks with console commands.  Haven't had much luck using dynamic links.
   Sorry - I don't have answers for any of your questions.
- Gary Beck
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:56 PM
Subject: [Opensim-users] Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

Hi all,

I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine.  In testing, I've not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to figure out suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can chase down what's going wrong.

In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or point me to better resources for finding the answers.

QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this blog post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222  It appears many people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a reason why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to make hypergridding easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best course to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're about to install.

QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or not?  I'm finding http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers or  opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations.  So when my jump fails, I don't know if it's a problem on my end or because the region was too far away or because it's on a different version than me.   The Hypergrid Mall is another example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or version info, so when my jump fails, I don't know why.

QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!  

secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName
http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName

Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in them, is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the following is correct?

http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
http://domain.com:8002:Region Name


QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're running a compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can give it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's wrong with hypergridding out.

................

I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm obviously still confused about some things.   

Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm behind the curve..

- Chris/Fleep


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UCit Instructional & Research Computing
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Re: Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

justincc
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On 22/09/11 17:56, Fleep Tuque wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid
> just fine.  In testing, I've not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any destination, and I'm
> having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to figure out suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can
> chase down what's going wrong.
>
> In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can
> either answer or point me to better resources for finding the answers.
>
> QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I
> understand why based on this blog post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222  It appears many people are
> NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a reason why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the
> limitation is not going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to make hypergridding
> easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best
> course to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're about to install.

I suspect the reason is simply the difficulty of co-ordinating such a move.  And tbh, it's not a great reason to move -
a far better approach would be to fix the viewer but I hear that the limitation is difficult to address.

>
> QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then don't we all need to publish the region centers in
> addition to the HG address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or not?  I'm finding
> http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers
> or  opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations.  So when my jump fails, I don't know if it's a problem on my end
> or because the region was too far away or because it's on a different version than me.   The Hypergrid Mall is another
> example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or
> version info, so when my jump fails, I don't know why.

I see you're using 0.7.1.  In current dev master code, I put in a check to tell you why a teleport fails if it exceeds
the 4096 limit.  This change will be in the forthcoming 0.7.2 so at least you'll get a bit more feedback.

>
> QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!
>
> secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:RegionName">http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
> <a href="http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName">http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName
>
> Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in them, is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the
> following is correct?
>
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name">http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region">http://domain.com:8002:Region Name
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:">http://domain.com:8002: Region Name

This confuses me as well.  I've been using addresses of the form

secondlife://justincc.osgrid.org:20000:r1/128/128/128

but I'm aware that this isn't the only way to do it, and I'm not sure this address form even works in viewer 2/3.

I'd love to dig into the code and map all this stuff out on the wiki but unfortunately I simply don't have time at the
moment.  And Diva is also tremendously busy herself right now, being a full time academic chairing big conferences as
well as an open-source hacker!

But if anybody does work out what can and can't be done then updates to the wiki page are very welcome.  As you see,
there's no good authoritative source other than the code itself at the moment.

>
>
> QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at
> 9000,9000 currently, but I also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're running a compatible
> version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address
> so I can give it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken addresses and links and things I'm
> going crazy trying to figure out what's wrong with hypergridding out.
>
> ................
>
> I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm obviously still confused about some things.
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm behind the curve..
>
> - Chris/Fleep
>
>
> Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque)
> Project Manager, UC Second Life
> UCit Instructional & Research Computing
> University of Cincinnati
> 406E Zimmer Hall
> PO Box 210088
> Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
> (513)556-3018
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> http://www.uc.edu/ucit/learningtools/secondlife.html
>
>
>
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core
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Fleep,

Here's my personal understandings and opinions on your first question:

The only straightforward solution (afaik) would be to create a new viewer framework from the ground up with code written in bias of OpenSim's unique properties.  Considering how much time and effort is required to develop and maintain the current viewers and that it's almost completely done on a non-paying volunteer basis, it's safe to say that it will be some time until the problem is completely resolved.  If there's anyone here who's a crack coder working on a secret viewer, please speak up and set my timeline straight.

Now, as for grid locations - I completely respect the concept of moving grids below 4096, but I also happen to share an opinion (and not a popular one) that 10000, 10000 should be the default location around which all grids interested in being part of the hypergrid community should congregate.  This is because OSGrid is centered there and has been - long before HG was introduced.  For myself and many others it is (and always will be) the center of the known metaverse.  Since it's also the development grid for OpenSim itself why not make it home base?  I understand some people aren't necessarily fond of OSGrid for it's non-uniform nature, some have never visited or have only limited knowledge of its inner workings and others are looking for grids with a currency system geared for fame and fortune.  However, there a few aspects of OSGrid which make it the ideal Hypergrid nexus:

1. It's completely free and open, even in it's content and services.  Anyone can land there, pick up a folder load of freebies, meet people who can answer technical questions and hyperjump to many interesting locations.

2. It offers OpenSim newcomers a chance to connect to a functioning grid and learn the basic ins and outs of roll your own regions before striking out on their own and setting up standalone grids.

3. Barring a major malfunction of the main servers, there will always be some part of OSGrid up and running.  This is not always the case with independent grids as we've all experienced.

4. Given the first three points and probably several other benefits that go unmentioned, it would be far easier for people to relocate their grids (of considerably less size and complexity) closer to OSGrid than the other way around.

This is my reason for placing my grid around 8000, 8000 and I know there are others who do likewise.  If grid owners/managers prefer to remain below 4096 they can and should place intermediate jump parcels accordingly.  What's one extra jump in the entire process?  I've taken the subway to and from work and other locations for years with line changes as part of my daily commute.  My only other option would be to move closer to work - I choose not to. I guess I view that and hypergrid travel in the same light - an invaluable convenience, imperfect in it's design, but unmatched by any alternatives within the given framework.

Just my 0.02 USD ;)

- core

On 9/22/2011 11:56 AM, Fleep Tuque wrote:
Hi all,

I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine.  In testing, I've not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to figure out suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can chase down what's going wrong.

In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or point me to better resources for finding the answers.

QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this blog post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222  It appears many people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a reason why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to make hypergridding easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best course to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're about to install.

QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or not?  I'm finding http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers or  opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations.  So when my jump fails, I don't know if it's a problem on my end or because the region was too far away or because it's on a different version than me.   The Hypergrid Mall is another example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or version info, so when my jump fails, I don't know why.

QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!  

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName">secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://domain.com:8002:RegionName">http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName">http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName

Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in them, is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the following is correct?

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name">http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://domain.com:8002:Region">http://domain.com:8002:Region Name


QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're running a compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can give it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's wrong with hypergridding out.

................

I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm obviously still confused about some things.   

Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm behind the curve..

- Chris/Fleep


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Re: Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

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Well done Mimetic :)

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Mimetic Core <[hidden email]> wrote:
Fleep,

Here's my personal understandings and opinions on your first question:

The only straightforward solution (afaik) would be to create a new viewer framework from the ground up with code written in bias of OpenSim's unique properties.  Considering how much time and effort is required to develop and maintain the current viewers and that it's almost completely done on a non-paying volunteer basis, it's safe to say that it will be some time until the problem is completely resolved.  If there's anyone here who's a crack coder working on a secret viewer, please speak up and set my timeline straight.

Now, as for grid locations - I completely respect the concept of moving grids below 4096, but I also happen to share an opinion (and not a popular one) that 10000, 10000 should be the default location around which all grids interested in being part of the hypergrid community should congregate.  This is because OSGrid is centered there and has been - long before HG was introduced.  For myself and many others it is (and always will be) the center of the known metaverse.  Since it's also the development grid for OpenSim itself why not make it home base?  I understand some people aren't necessarily fond of OSGrid for it's non-uniform nature, some have never visited or have only limited knowledge of its inner workings and others are looking for grids with a currency system geared for fame and fortune.  However, there a few aspects of OSGrid which make it the ideal Hypergrid nexus:

1. It's completely free and open, even in it's content and services.  Anyone can land there, pick up a folder load of freebies, meet people who can answer technical questions and hyperjump to many interesting locations.

2. It offers OpenSim newcomers a chance to connect to a functioning grid and learn the basic ins and outs of roll your own regions before striking out on their own and setting up standalone grids.

3. Barring a major malfunction of the main servers, there will always be some part of OSGrid up and running.  This is not always the case with independent grids as we've all experienced.

4. Given the first three points and probably several other benefits that go unmentioned, it would be far easier for people to relocate their grids (of considerably less size and complexity) closer to OSGrid than the other way around.

This is my reason for placing my grid around 8000, 8000 and I know there are others who do likewise.  If grid owners/managers prefer to remain below 4096 they can and should place intermediate jump parcels accordingly.  What's one extra jump in the entire process?  I've taken the subway to and from work and other locations for years with line changes as part of my daily commute.  My only other option would be to move closer to work - I choose not to. I guess I view that and hypergrid travel in the same light - an invaluable convenience, imperfect in it's design, but unmatched by any alternatives within the given framework.

Just my 0.02 USD ;)

- core


On 9/22/2011 11:56 AM, Fleep Tuque wrote:
Hi all,

I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine.  In testing, I've not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to figure out suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can chase down what's going wrong.

In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or point me to better resources for finding the answers.

QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this blog post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222  It appears many people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a reason why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to make hypergridding easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best course to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're about to install.

QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or not?  I'm finding http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers or  opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations.  So when my jump fails, I don't know if it's a problem on my end or because the region was too far away or because it's on a different version than me.   The Hypergrid Mall is another example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or version info, so when my jump fails, I don't know why.

QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!  

<a href="http://domain.com:8002:RegionName" target="_blank">http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
<a href="http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName" target="_blank">http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName

Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in them, is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the following is correct?

<a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name" target="_blank">http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
<a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region" target="_blank">http://domain.com:8002:Region Name


QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're running a compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can give it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's wrong with hypergridding out.

................

I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm obviously still confused about some things.   

Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm behind the curve..

- Chris/Fleep


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Re: Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

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At 03:42 23/09/2011, Justin C-C wrote:
>secondlife://justincc.osgrid.org:20000:r1/128/128/128
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>but I'm aware that this isn't the only way to do it, and I'm not
>sure this address form even works in viewer 2/3.

It does not.

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Re: Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

Karen Palen
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There is one viewer around which at implements a solution to this problem!

Meta-impy works well enough that you can ignore the 4096 limit.

It is based on the former Meta7 viewer, but makes NO attempt to conform
to Linden Labs restrictive TPV TOS so it cannoy be used on Second Life.

The Windows version also needs someone to test it.

http://onefang.net/drupal/

Karen

On 09/22/2011 09:56 AM, Fleep Tuque wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears many
> folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine.  In testing, I've not
> yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any destination,
> and I'm having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to figure out
> suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can chase down what's
> going wrong.
>
> In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several
> questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or point me
> to better resources for finding the answers.
>
> QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their
> sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this blog
> post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222  It appears many
> people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a reason
> why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not going to
> go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to
> make hypergridding easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on
> FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best course
> to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're
> about to install.
>
> QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then don't
> we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG address in
> order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or not?  I'm
> finding http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely unhelpful as
> a directory because I don't know the region centers or  opensim/hg versions
> for most of the destinations.  So when my jump fails, I don't know if it's a
> problem on my end or because the region was too far away or because it's on
> a different version than me.   The Hypergrid Mall is another example,
> http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it has the hypergrid
> address, but no center coords or version info, so when my jump fails, I
> don't know why.
>
> QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a
> hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!
>
> secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:RegionName">http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
> <a href="http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName">http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName
>
> Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in them,
> is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the following is correct?
>
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name">http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region">http://domain.com:8002:Region Name
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:">http://domain.com:8002: Region Name
>
>
> QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface version
> 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I also have a
> Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're running a
> compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able to
> hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can give
> it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken
> addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's
> wrong with hypergridding out.
>
> ................
>
> I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm
> obviously still confused about some things.
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm behind
> the curve..
>
> - Chris/Fleep
>
>
> Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque)
> Project Manager, UC Second Life
> UCit Instructional & Research Computing
> University of Cincinnati
> 406E Zimmer Hall
> PO Box 210088
> Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
> (513)556-3018
> [hidden email]
>
> http://www.uc.edu/ucit/learningtools/secondlife.html
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>
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Re: Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG Address Confusion

Ric Moore
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On 09/22/2011 12:56 PM, Fleep Tuque wrote:

> Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in them,
> is a "%20" required or not?  Which of the following is correct?
>
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name">http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:Region">http://domain.com:8002:Region Name
> <a href="http://domain.com:8002:">http://domain.com:8002: Region Name

As a general rule, spaces in URLs is never a good idea. Why do it then??
Jus' wondering... Ric


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