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Garrett Lynch
Hi All

Never really took the time to introduce myself and this list has been  
very helpful in setting up our OpenSim regions, I know the educators  
list (https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators)  
are keen on introductions - it's a good idea to see what people are  
doing.

So for my part overdue, here goes...

I'm an artist and an academic (in that order) and have migrated over  
from Second Life where I've been very active in the arts community.  
Most recently doing a residency" http://www.asquare.org/works/yoshikaze-up-in-the-air-second-life-residency 
  (see links below for more on what I do).

Interested in extending my practice into OpenSim - the whole Linden  
thing just annoys me, too costly and am a big supporter of anything  
opensource as I can get my hands dirty so to speak.  Very hopeful  
about the future of OpenSim, and the approach of a post alpha  
version.  But I'm also keen to bring my students into OpenSim.  I've  
set up a four region space, search for:

CCI Sandbox Sim
CCI Gallery Sim
CCI New Media Sim
CCI Moving Image Sim

The regions are ready but we are still working on getting the server  
to auto restart when it crashes so bear with us.  They already have  
open access sandboxs and a gallery (similar to spaces in Second Life  
like Art Nation).

There is an ulterior motive for all of this...

What I am a little disappointed about is the lack of overall culture  
in OpenSim which is present in Second Life, from my point of view an  
arts community, running exhibitions, performances, symposium,  
workshops etc.  Groups don't seem to be as successful as they are in  
Second Life and I've not come across any mailing lists for this -  
perhaps I'm totally wrong and somebody can point some out to me?

Any artists on this list who are looking for a culture on OpenSim?  
Anyone who wants to start getting initiates together?

Garrett
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Re: Introduction

James Stallings II
Hi Garrett,

Firstly, Welcome to the wild and wacky world of OpenSims!

I'm also an artist, a half-assed academic (sorry!) and have a LOT of experience with OpenSims, SecondLife, &etc.

My SL rezday is back in Dec of 2004, and I confess I havent logged in to SL in some years, due to my extensive involvement with OpenSims.

First thing to know, is that the topologicla space is a bit different here. With SL, you have a company producing a product, and they more or less try to 'contain and control' (with more or less succes), all of the technical, economic, and social aspects of their virtual world. With OpenSims, there are three primary communities; Developers, Testers, and Early Adopters. Each of these has one or more distinct communities surrounding it, and there is both considerable overlap between them and some odd instances of isolation.

Perhaps the most high profile community (and it is made up of a good many subcommunities) is on OSgrid (see http://osgrid.org). It is fast, fun, furious, unstable, high risk, almost completely anonymous; verily, a conundrum made up of upturned wormcans. It's a fascinating place, and much like SL, it can steal your brain.

In the interest of full disclosure, I was a volunteer admin there for around four years, and it finally got to be too much for me and I left (though I do still maintain a simple user's presence there). It continues to be vigorous in my absence ;)

I'd say start there; meet people and extend your social reach into the space. You'll find a fairly vigorous 'Welcome Area' community there, not unlike SL's. They will be able to provide you with some good jumping-off points.

Good luck, and feel free to give a shout out to me if you have additional questions.

Cheers!
James
aka Hiro Protagonist




On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Garrett Lynch <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi All

Never really took the time to introduce myself and this list has been very helpful in setting up our OpenSim regions, I know the educators list (https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators) are keen on introductions - it's a good idea to see what people are doing.

So for my part overdue, here goes...

I'm an artist and an academic (in that order) and have migrated over from Second Life where I've been very active in the arts community.  Most recently doing a residency" http://www.asquare.org/works/yoshikaze-up-in-the-air-second-life-residency (see links below for more on what I do).

Interested in extending my practice into OpenSim - the whole Linden thing just annoys me, too costly and am a big supporter of anything opensource as I can get my hands dirty so to speak.  Very hopeful about the future of OpenSim, and the approach of a post alpha version.  But I'm also keen to bring my students into OpenSim.  I've set up a four region space, search for:

CCI Sandbox Sim
CCI Gallery Sim
CCI New Media Sim
CCI Moving Image Sim

The regions are ready but we are still working on getting the server to auto restart when it crashes so bear with us.  They already have open access sandboxs and a gallery (similar to spaces in Second Life like Art Nation).

There is an ulterior motive for all of this...

What I am a little disappointed about is the lack of overall culture in OpenSim which is present in Second Life, from my point of view an arts community, running exhibitions, performances, symposium, workshops etc.  Groups don't seem to be as successful as they are in Second Life and I've not come across any mailing lists for this - perhaps I'm totally wrong and somebody can point some out to me?

Any artists on this list who are looking for a culture on OpenSim?  Anyone who wants to start getting initiates together?

Garrett
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Re: Introduction

Loralai Aya
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On 7/14/2011 8:41 AM, Garrett Lynch wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Never really took the time to introduce myself and this list has been
> very helpful in setting up our OpenSim regions, I know the educators
> list (https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators)
> are keen on introductions - it's a good idea to see what people are
> doing.
>
> So for my part overdue, here goes...
>
> I'm an artist and an academic (in that order) and have migrated over
> from Second Life where I've been very active in the arts community.  
> Most recently doing a residency"
> http://www.asquare.org/works/yoshikaze-up-in-the-air-second-life-residency (see
> links below for more on what I do).
>
> Interested in extending my practice into OpenSim - the whole Linden
> thing just annoys me, too costly and am a big supporter of anything
> opensource as I can get my hands dirty so to speak.  Very hopeful
> about the future of OpenSim, and the approach of a post alpha
> version.  But I'm also keen to bring my students into OpenSim.  I've
> set up a four region space, search for:
>
> CCI Sandbox Sim
> CCI Gallery Sim
> CCI New Media Sim
> CCI Moving Image Sim
>
> The regions are ready but we are still working on getting the server
> to auto restart when it crashes so bear with us.  They already have
> open access sandboxs and a gallery (similar to spaces in Second Life
> like Art Nation).
>
> There is an ulterior motive for all of this...
>
> What I am a little disappointed about is the lack of overall culture
> in OpenSim which is present in Second Life, from my point of view an
> arts community, running exhibitions, performances, symposium,
> workshops etc.  Groups don't seem to be as successful as they are in
> Second Life and I've not come across any mailing lists for this -
> perhaps I'm totally wrong and somebody can point some out to me?
>
> Any artists on this list who are looking for a culture on OpenSim?  
> Anyone who wants to start getting initiates together?
>
> Garrett
> _________________
> [hidden email]
> http://www.asquare.org/
> http://www.asquare.org/networkresearch/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users
Hey Garret,

I understand the disappointment in lack of culture, well in truth the
lack of a world at all. Opensim is a bunch of Coalesced servers with
very few actually active grids like Second Life. My company along with a
non profit educational organization is trying to create a grid that wont
exactly mirror secondlife but will provide culture, art, community. we
want to turn the opensim framework into a usable, stable environment
that can then be built up as a grand world much like second life has
been over the past few years.

If you would like to join us in that let me know :) you can always shoot
me an email or check out http://pawzgroup.com or http://atmeeting.com

Regards,

Loralai Aya
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Re: Introduction

Garrett Lynch
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Hi James and Loralai

Thanks for your reply.  I meant to say the regions I mentioned are all on OSgrid.  I've been using OpenSim (front and back) for about 5 months now so tech wise feel pretty comfortable with it.  Any people I've stumbled on in world are usually having very techy conversations (which is understandable since it's still Apha and we are all setting up our servers) but I just worry what happens when it's stable and everyone has a space - it will come.  What do we all do then?  If there is nothing to do in world then people will drift away, tech challenges will only last so long so this is really all about sustainability/longevity of the 'place' of OpenSim.  If anything keeps Second Life going it's the culture, attending things, meeting people whatever your thing is there is a culture for it.

I understand people are investing an enormous amount of time and energy into OpenSim to get it working and the work so far is phenomenal (genuinely well done) but other things need to get rolling to sustain it all.  Loralai, what your company seem to be doing is great.  It would be good to see that provision of culture, art, community happening across existing grids as well.  Having it on your own grid is fine but the whole issue of moving from one grid to another is still far from easy so yet another grid at the moment will just mean competition and risks seclusion.  When crossing grids works, having a set of regions (because hopefully the 'border crossing' will be transparent) that specialise in culture, art, community will do well but I suspect that at the moment its a case of it needs to be taken to where the users are.

James, are you a practicing artist in OpenSim?  Would love to see anything you have done.

Garrett


On 14 Jul 2011, at 15:44, [hidden email] wrote:

Hi Garrett,

Firstly, Welcome to the wild and wacky world of OpenSims!

I'm also an artist, a half-assed academic (sorry!) and have a LOT of
experience with OpenSims, SecondLife, &etc.

My SL rezday is back in Dec of 2004, and I confess I havent logged in to SL
in some years, due to my extensive involvement with OpenSims.

First thing to know, is that the topologicla space is a bit different here.
With SL, you have a company producing a product, and they more or less try
to 'contain and control' (with more or less succes), all of the technical,
economic, and social aspects of their virtual world. With OpenSims, there
are three primary communities; Developers, Testers, and Early Adopters. Each
of these has one or more distinct communities surrounding it, and there is
both considerable overlap between them and some odd instances of isolation.

Perhaps the most high profile community (and it is made up of a good many
subcommunities) is on OSgrid (see http://osgrid.org). It is fast, fun,
furious, unstable, high risk, almost completely anonymous; verily, a
conundrum made up of upturned wormcans. It's a fascinating place, and much
like SL, it can steal your brain.

In the interest of full disclosure, I was a volunteer admin there for around
four years, and it finally got to be too much for me and I left (though I do
still maintain a simple user's presence there). It continues to be vigorous
in my absence ;)

I'd say start there; meet people and extend your social reach into the
space. You'll find a fairly vigorous 'Welcome Area' community there, not
unlike SL's. They will be able to provide you with some good jumping-off
points.

Good luck, and feel free to give a shout out to me if you have additional
questions.

Cheers!
James
aka Hiro Protagonist



Hey Garret,

I understand the disappointment in lack of culture, well in truth the 
lack of a world at all. Opensim is a bunch of Coalesced servers with 
very few actually active grids like Second Life. My company along with a 
non profit educational organization is trying to create a grid that wont 
exactly mirror secondlife but will provide culture, art, community. we 
want to turn the opensim framework into a usable, stable environment 
that can then be built up as a grand world much like second life has 
been over the past few years.

If you would like to join us in that let me know :) you can always shoot 
me an email or check out http://pawzgroup.com or http://atmeeting.com

Regards,

Loralai Aya



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Re: Introduction

core
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Hi Garrett,

I think I recognize your name from SL.  Did you have an installation on
the Columbia College sim at some point?  I am an ex-faculty/staffer from
there (both SL and RL).  If I'm mistaken, my apologies.  Either way,
welcome to OpenSim :)

As for the culture/community, it's definitely not as 'in your face' as
SL.  However, it's (a) still quite young and (b) a mixed bag of
participants with a far greater range of technical proficiency, creative
potential and sense of individuality than SL ever had.  It's also more
spread out due to it's decentralized nature which generally leads to
people getting (happily) lost in their own little worlds, or at the very
least focusing their time and energy on projects they were never able to
complete before rather than community building.  I have to admit, I fall
into the latter category.  I'm currently working on a long-term (years?)
transmedia project that is consuming virtually all of my time and energy
allotted for OpenSim activities.  As a result,  'I don't get out much'...

I think in time the community will come together in the larger sense -
when it's ready.  I'm actually happy to see that it's growing at it's
own pace rather than being hastily jammed into the 'SL Clone' pigeon
hole.  It may aggravate the impatient, but in the long run I think it
will be a far more thoughtful and emotionally mature community than many
of us are used to elsewhere.  However, continuing to foster the
formation of groups and communities, especially for specific agendas
like education and the arts, is beneficial to the overall future of OpenSim.

I'm interested in seeing what you've set up for both your students and
your personal work and again, welcome to the frontier.

Jason / core
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http://core.odosys.net

On 7/14/2011 7:41 AM, Garrett Lynch wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Never really took the time to introduce myself and this list has been
> very helpful in setting up our OpenSim regions, I know the educators
> list (https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators)
> are keen on introductions - it's a good idea to see what people are
> doing.
>
> So for my part overdue, here goes...
>
> I'm an artist and an academic (in that order) and have migrated over
> from Second Life where I've been very active in the arts community.  
> Most recently doing a residency"
> http://www.asquare.org/works/yoshikaze-up-in-the-air-second-life-residency (see
> links below for more on what I do).
>
> Interested in extending my practice into OpenSim - the whole Linden
> thing just annoys me, too costly and am a big supporter of anything
> opensource as I can get my hands dirty so to speak.  Very hopeful
> about the future of OpenSim, and the approach of a post alpha
> version.  But I'm also keen to bring my students into OpenSim.  I've
> set up a four region space, search for:
>
> CCI Sandbox Sim
> CCI Gallery Sim
> CCI New Media Sim
> CCI Moving Image Sim
>
> The regions are ready but we are still working on getting the server
> to auto restart when it crashes so bear with us.  They already have
> open access sandboxs and a gallery (similar to spaces in Second Life
> like Art Nation).
>
> There is an ulterior motive for all of this...
>
> What I am a little disappointed about is the lack of overall culture
> in OpenSim which is present in Second Life, from my point of view an
> arts community, running exhibitions, performances, symposium,
> workshops etc.  Groups don't seem to be as successful as they are in
> Second Life and I've not come across any mailing lists for this -
> perhaps I'm totally wrong and somebody can point some out to me?
>
> Any artists on this list who are looking for a culture on OpenSim?  
> Anyone who wants to start getting initiates together?
>
> Garrett
> _________________
> [hidden email]
> http://www.asquare.org/
> http://www.asquare.org/networkresearch/
>
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> [hidden email]
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Re: Introduction

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Hi Garret,

A friend of mine ( Galen TechnoShaman ) is doing a lot of ART related
installations on his
OSGRID Region called Cyberbohemia.
http://www.cyberbohemia.net/index.php?/pages/indexgallery.html
For the OSG4B he is holding a special Birthday installation beween the 22.07
- 24.07 - called
"Living picture"
http://www.cyberbohemia.net/index.php?/archives/94-The-living-picture.html

He will be happy if you drop by anytime. We were also talking to Artists in
SL and also to the
person that was running the NPIRL (not possible in Real Life) Blog but those
Avatars told us
that ART is more common in e.g. SL because of the "attention the artist
gets" .. Or on
those "commercial" opensimgrids where/whatever those are ..

We than anyhow loosely formed the ANPOOG Group (Also Not Possible on Opensim
Grids) but as we are
both working on our regions and with lack of interested Avatars, this
project is in 'snooze' state ..

I also know of 2 other interesting avatars on OSGRID. In no specific order i
would name
Ruben Haan with his 'Kliederaar' region and that Cornflakes Woodcock Avatar
with his
brilliant, clownish-crazy 'Cornflakes' - Mad World Region and Sandbox.
Memyself and I,
do some kind of more visual things with textures and particles. So, If you
ever are
on the OSGRID, drop me or Galen a IM to get in touch with us .. As there is
lot of
space on the osgrid why not form a Continent of Art or a Art Cluster ?

We would for sure spend some land or a helping hand for "poor"
migration-willingly (SL) artists" ...

best regards
Wordfromthe Wise

*You could also take a dose of Hypergrid pills and visit us ;.)


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Hi All

Never really took the time to introduce myself and this list has been very
helpful in setting up our OpenSim regions, I know the educators list
(https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators)
are keen on introductions - it's a good idea to see what people are doing.

So for my part overdue, here goes...

I'm an artist and an academic (in that order) and have migrated over  
from Second Life where I've been very active in the arts community.  
Most recently doing a residency"
http://www.asquare.org/works/yoshikaze-up-in-the-air-second-life-residency
  (see links below for more on what I do).

Interested in extending my practice into OpenSim - the whole Linden thing
just annoys me, too costly and am a big supporter of anything opensource as
I can get my hands dirty so to speak.  Very hopeful about the future of
OpenSim, and the approach of a post alpha version.  But I'm also keen to
bring my students into OpenSim.  I've set up a four region space, search
for:

CCI Sandbox Sim
CCI Gallery Sim
CCI New Media Sim
CCI Moving Image Sim

The regions are ready but we are still working on getting the server to auto
restart when it crashes so bear with us.  They already have open access
sandboxs and a gallery (similar to spaces in Second Life like Art Nation).

There is an ulterior motive for all of this...

What I am a little disappointed about is the lack of overall culture in
OpenSim which is present in Second Life, from my point of view an arts
community, running exhibitions, performances, symposium, workshops etc.
Groups don't seem to be as successful as they are in Second Life and I've
not come across any mailing lists for this - perhaps I'm totally wrong and
somebody can point some out to me?

Any artists on this list who are looking for a culture on OpenSim?  
Anyone who wants to start getting initiates together?

Garrett
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Re: Introduction

enauman
Garrett,
You might check out Craft grid, http://www.craft-world.org/. It's a place where many artists gather and show some interesting work.
Erik
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Re: Introduction

justincc
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I think getting more people is critical.

This is why I find the Hypergrid idea so interesting.  If people from different installations of OpenSim can just cross
to other installations then every new OpenSim server adds more population to the whole system (network effect).  Things
become more like the web.

At the moment, there are big challenges due to architectural/security limitations (e.g. having to route everything
through the servers, the 4096 region bug, etc.).

Another idea which I think might help is a website listing events taking place on different grids or even virtual
environments.  Then there's one single place for people to find out where others might actually be gathering.  Then the
challenge becomes easily accessing those spaces.

On 14/07/11 16:51, Garrett Lynch wrote:

> Hi James and Loralai
>
> Thanks for your reply. I meant to say the regions I mentioned are all on OSgrid. I've been using OpenSim (front and
> back) for about 5 months now so tech wise feel pretty comfortable with it. Any people I've stumbled on in world are
> usually having very techy conversations (which is understandable since it's still Apha and we are all setting up our
> servers) but I just worry what happens when it's stable and everyone has a space - it will come. What do we all do then?
> If there is nothing to do in world then people will drift away, tech challenges will only last so long so this is really
> all about sustainability/longevity of the 'place' of OpenSim. If anything keeps Second Life going it's the culture,
> attending things, meeting people whatever your thing is there is a culture for it.
>
> I understand people are investing an enormous amount of time and energy into OpenSim to get it working and the work so
> far is phenomenal (genuinely well done) but other things need to get rolling to sustain it all. Loralai, what your
> company seem to be doing is great. It would be good to see that provision of culture, art, community happening across
> existing grids as well. Having it on your own grid is fine but the whole issue of moving from one grid to another is
> still far from easy so yet another grid at the moment will just mean competition and risks seclusion. When crossing
> grids works, having a set of regions (because hopefully the 'border crossing' will be transparent) that specialise in
> culture, art, community will do well but I suspect that at the moment its a case of it needs to be taken to where the
> users are.
>
> James, are you a practicing artist in OpenSim? Would love to see anything you have done.
>
> Garrett
>
>
> On 14 Jul 2011, at 15:44, [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Garrett,
>>
>> Firstly, Welcome to the wild and wacky world of OpenSims!
>>
>> I'm also an artist, a half-assed academic (sorry!) and have a LOT of
>> experience with OpenSims, SecondLife, &etc.
>>
>> My SL rezday is back in Dec of 2004, and I confess I havent logged in to SL
>> in some years, due to my extensive involvement with OpenSims.
>>
>> First thing to know, is that the topologicla space is a bit different here.
>> With SL, you have a company producing a product, and they more or less try
>> to 'contain and control' (with more or less succes), all of the technical,
>> economic, and social aspects of their virtual world. With OpenSims, there
>> are three primary communities; Developers, Testers, and Early Adopters. Each
>> of these has one or more distinct communities surrounding it, and there is
>> both considerable overlap between them and some odd instances of isolation.
>>
>> Perhaps the most high profile community (and it is made up of a good many
>> subcommunities) is on OSgrid (seehttp://osgrid.org). It is fast, fun,
>> furious, unstable, high risk, almost completely anonymous; verily, a
>> conundrum made up of upturned wormcans. It's a fascinating place, and much
>> like SL, it can steal your brain.
>>
>> In the interest of full disclosure, I was a volunteer admin there for around
>> four years, and it finally got to be too much for me and I left (though I do
>> still maintain a simple user's presence there). It continues to be vigorous
>> in my absence ;)
>>
>> I'd say start there; meet people and extend your social reach into the
>> space. You'll find a fairly vigorous 'Welcome Area' community there, not
>> unlike SL's. They will be able to provide you with some good jumping-off
>> points.
>>
>> Good luck, and feel free to give a shout out to me if you have additional
>> questions.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> James
>> aka Hiro Protagonist
>
>
>
>> Hey Garret,
>>
>> I understand the disappointment in lack of culture, well in truth the
>> lack of a world at all. Opensim is a bunch of Coalesced servers with
>> very few actually active grids like Second Life. My company along with a
>> non profit educational organization is trying to create a grid that wont
>> exactly mirror secondlife but will provide culture, art, community. we
>> want to turn the opensim framework into a usable, stable environment
>> that can then be built up as a grand world much like second life has
>> been over the past few years.
>>
>> If you would like to join us in that let me know :) you can always shoot
>> me an email or check outhttp://pawzgroup.comorhttp://atmeeting.com
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Loralai Aya
>
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>
>
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Re: Introduction

Karen Palen
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Personally I am a retired software engineer having fun with the
technology. I gave up Second Life several years ago when they started
getting restrictive and having periodic panics.

I think you will find the various OpenSim worlds to be a very mixed bag
- there is certainly no central or unifying "culture" of any sort.


Probably the best introduction to some of the larger grids is
http://www.hyperica.com/ and http://thehypergates.com/

I am sure there are a dozen other good ones, but these cover most of the
popular grids.

In addition there are literally thousands of "private" grids for any
number of special purposes - I ran a standalone "Mars Sim" grid for a
Sci Fi convention for example. You got to suit up an dexplore Mars - I
forgot and left the editing capability on and several kids got on and
transformed Mars in a couple of hours! They had a great time (as did the
spectators) and I just restored everything from backups when we were done.

The Hypergrid is definitely getting to be a way to explore new "worlds"
with various paradigms, although it has had some teething problems with
incompatible format changes recently.

If you want to jump right in then I suggest looking at Diva's D2 distro
from: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page  It gives you a very
simple pre-set up starter grid of your very own, download one of the
Hypergates and you are on your way!

When I set up the Mars sim, one of the first visitors was a "little
green man" (literally!) from VUE who dropped over to say hi. :-)

Good Luck

Karen

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> Hi All
>
> Never really took the time to introduce myself and this list has been
> very helpful in setting up our OpenSim regions, I know the educators
> list (https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators)
> are keen on introductions - it's a good idea to see what people are doing.

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Hi Justin

Absolutely agree with both suggestions you made.  Is there a timeline somewhere with some indication of how far off some of these developments are?  

At the moment I think maybe, if people are interested, some sort of working group should be put together to get things rolling.  Maybe a mailing list parallel to this one would be a quick and easy way to gauge interest and see how culture, events could be developed in world.

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> I think getting more people is critical.
>
> This is why I find the Hypergrid idea so interesting.  If people from different installations of OpenSim can just cross
> to other installations then every new OpenSim server adds more population to the whole system (network effect).  Things
> become more like the web.
>
> At the moment, there are big challenges due to architectural/security limitations (e.g. having to route everything
> through the servers, the 4096 region bug, etc.).
>
> Another idea which I think might help is a website listing events taking place on different grids or even virtual
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Hi Garrett.  Regarding Hypergrid, I would hesitate to give a timeline.  It's a very complex and evolving architectural
area.  However, there is sustained interest in it.

As for event listing, this is something that anybody could do at any time, just as people in the community have done
stuff such as hypergrid and shopping websites, or even virtual worlds on demand.  The OpenSimulator project really just
concentrates on the core server technology.

On 15/07/11 08:27, Garrett Lynch wrote:

> Hi Justin
>
> Absolutely agree with both suggestions you made.  Is there a timeline somewhere with some indication of how far off some of these developments are?
>
> At the moment I think maybe, if people are interested, some sort of working group should be put together to get things rolling.  Maybe a mailing list parallel to this one would be a quick and easy way to gauge interest and see how culture, events could be developed in world.
>
> Garrett
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> On 15 Jul 2011, at 03:14, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> I think getting more people is critical.
>>
>> This is why I find the Hypergrid idea so interesting.  If people from different installations of OpenSim can just cross
>> to other installations then every new OpenSim server adds more population to the whole system (network effect).  Things
>> become more like the web.
>>
>> At the moment, there are big challenges due to architectural/security limitations (e.g. having to route everything
>> through the servers, the 4096 region bug, etc.).
>>
>> Another idea which I think might help is a website listing events taking place on different grids or even virtual
>> environments.  Then there's one single place for people to find out where others might actually be gathering.  Then the
>> challenge becomes easily accessing those spaces.
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Hi everyone,

I spent most of today creating a new website that aims to be a place for  
people to share events, thoughts, discussions, etc. about OpenSim from all  
over the hypergrid. Feel free to sign up: http://taos.name/

P.S.: Anyone already registered on opensim-creations.com can just use  
their username and password for the above site.

Greetings
V

> Hi Garrett.  Regarding Hypergrid, I would hesitate to give a timeline.  
> It's a very complex and evolving architectural area.  However, there is  
> sustained interest in it.
>
> As for event listing, this is something that anybody could do at any  
> time, just as people in the community have done stuff such as hypergrid  
> and shopping websites, or even virtual worlds on demand.  The  
> OpenSimulator project really just concentrates on the core server  
> technology.
>
> On 15/07/11 08:27, Garrett Lynch wrote:
>> Hi Justin
>>
>> Absolutely agree with both suggestions you made.  Is there a timeline  
>> somewhere with some indication of how far off some of these  
>> developments are?
>>
>> At the moment I think maybe, if people are interested, some sort of  
>> working group should be put together to get things rolling.  Maybe a  
>> mailing list parallel to this one would be a quick and easy way to  
>> gauge interest and see how culture, events could be developed in world.
>>
>> Garrett
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>>
>> On 15 Jul 2011, at 03:14, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>> I think getting more people is critical.
>>>
>>> This is why I find the Hypergrid idea so interesting.  If people from  
>>> different installations of OpenSim can just cross
>>> to other installations then every new OpenSim server adds more  
>>> population to the whole system (network effect).  Things
>>> become more like the web.
>>>
>>> At the moment, there are big challenges due to architectural/security  
>>> limitations (e.g. having to route everything
>>> through the servers, the 4096 region bug, etc.).
>>>
>>> Another idea which I think might help is a website listing events  
>>> taking place on different grids or even virtual
>>> environments.  Then there's one single place for people to find out  
>>> where others might actually be gathering.  Then the
>>> challenge becomes easily accessing those spaces.
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I like it Vanish, quick off the mark :)

I suspect that what's really need to make this kind of thing successful is

a) A very easy way to get to locations, ideally just clicking on a link as with the linden grid.  This is challenging
right now.

b) Real time information as to how many people are actually at an event, and feedback afterwards, repeat entries, etc.

However, I suspect the 'market' is too small to get something that advanced to take off right now - a simpler forum
might work.

On 16/07/11 03:05, Vanish Seriath wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I spent most of today creating a new website that aims to be a place for people to share events, thoughts, discussions,
> etc. about OpenSim from all over the hypergrid. Feel free to sign up: http://taos.name/
>
> P.S.: Anyone already registered on opensim-creations.com can just use their username and password for the above site.
>
> Greetings
> V
>
>> Hi Garrett. Regarding Hypergrid, I would hesitate to give a timeline. It's a very complex and evolving architectural
>> area. However, there is sustained interest in it.
>>
>> As for event listing, this is something that anybody could do at any time, just as people in the community have done
>> stuff such as hypergrid and shopping websites, or even virtual worlds on demand. The OpenSimulator project really just
>> concentrates on the core server technology.
>>
>> On 15/07/11 08:27, Garrett Lynch wrote:
>>> Hi Justin
>>>
>>> Absolutely agree with both suggestions you made. Is there a timeline somewhere with some indication of how far off
>>> some of these developments are?
>>>
>>> At the moment I think maybe, if people are interested, some sort of working group should be put together to get
>>> things rolling. Maybe a mailing list parallel to this one would be a quick and easy way to gauge interest and see how
>>> culture, events could be developed in world.
>>>
>>> Garrett
>>> _________________
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://www.asquare.org/
>>> http://www.asquare.org/networkresearch/
>>>
>>> On 15 Jul 2011, at 03:14, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think getting more people is critical.
>>>>
>>>> This is why I find the Hypergrid idea so interesting. If people from different installations of OpenSim can just cross
>>>> to other installations then every new OpenSim server adds more population to the whole system (network effect). Things
>>>> become more like the web.
>>>>
>>>> At the moment, there are big challenges due to architectural/security limitations (e.g. having to route everything
>>>> through the servers, the 4096 region bug, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Another idea which I think might help is a website listing events taking place on different grids or even virtual
>>>> environments. Then there's one single place for people to find out where others might actually be gathering. Then the
>>>> challenge becomes easily accessing those spaces.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Opensim-users mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users
>>>
>>
>>
>
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On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Garrett Lynch <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi All

Never really took the time to introduce myself and this list has been very helpful in setting up our OpenSim regions, I know the educators list (https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators) are keen on introductions - it's a good idea to see what people are doing.

...the whole Linden thing just annoys me, too costly and am a big supporter of anything opensource...
 
Hi Garrett, et al,
 
Your comment, "...the whole Linden thing just annoys me..." gave me a chuckle.  That is, I continue to admire the work of colleagues that remained in SL as well as acknowledge how some things [namely voice and just for the moment] works better in SL than in the OS.  At the same time, the high cost of SL coupled with the frequent and abrupt changes in SL management motivated me to make the move to the OS (and I couldn't be happier now that the move is complete!).
 
For my introduction, I use virtual world simulations to teach economics and business studies courses (in a completely online format) to non traditional students (read: older/returning/part-time students at the School of Continuing Studies) at Tulane University [see https://sites.google.com/site/vwexamples/ for a few examples of my teaching sets and simulations and http://contentcooperative.wordpress.com/ for the Content Cooperative I am still still trying to launch (in the Gridizens Market in the ReactionGrid)].
 
For my view of the lack of community in the OS, I think there is plenty going on but a central calendar would be a boost when it comes to finding out about events, exhibits, content, etc.  Also, for the calendar to be of maximum use, my view is that it needs to be attached to the OpenSim.org site (rather than attached to any of the individual grids in the OS).
 
Best,
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This looks promising, tried to register but the activation keys seem to be having issues and I can't log in.

Sorted this now, stupidity on my part.


Your comment, "...the whole Linden thing just annoys me..." gave me a
chuckle.  That is, I continue to admire the work of colleagues that remained
in SL as well as acknowledge how some things [namely voice and just for the
moment] works better in SL than in the OS.  At the same time, the high cost
of SL coupled with the frequent and abrupt changes in SL management
motivated me to make the move to the OS (and I couldn't be happier now that
the move is complete!).

Hi Kay, The thing that annoys me most is the stupid model of running second life, it reminds me of the early web, domain names and hosting and initially extortionate prices.  Since linden labs host all islands prices never go down, there is no healthy competition, even though memory capacity is constantly going up.  I'm unsure as to why they don't allow others to host, it would increase the falling user base, ease things that they don't like doing like patrolling the spaces for incorrect use and with a change of their business model they would reap far more money in other ways. Their business model is antiquated when compared with the likes of Google.

Anyway for all this and more Opensim is potentially far more interesting.


For my view of the lack of community in the OS, I think there is plenty
going on but a central calendar would be a boost when it comes to finding
out about events, exhibits, content, etc.  Also, for the calendar to be of
maximum use, my view is that it needs to be attached to the OpenSim.org
site (rather than attached to any of the individual grids in the OS).

Yes a calendar of events would be a huge help and I agree completely that it should be at opensim.org to be impartial to all grids or it should be run by a group who are not connected to any single initiative.

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Hi Justin,

thanks for the heads up. The event system I'm currently using allows for  
entering a RL adress, which automatically shows the location in google  
maps. For in-world meetings it should be trivial to just enter a HGurl /  
SLurl in that same field, which will bring people to the spot.

The second idea is rather nice, but I honestly don't know of an easy  
solution that can provide that kind of info.

Greetings
V

> I like it Vanish, quick off the mark :)
>
> I suspect that what's really need to make this kind of thing successful  
> is
>
> a) A very easy way to get to locations, ideally just clicking on a link  
> as with the linden grid.  This is challenging right now.
>
> b) Real time information as to how many people are actually at an event,  
> and feedback afterwards, repeat entries, etc.
>
> However, I suspect the 'market' is too small to get something that  
> advanced to take off right now - a simpler forum might work.
>
> On 16/07/11 03:05, Vanish Seriath wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I spent most of today creating a new website that aims to be a place  
>> for people to share events, thoughts, discussions,
>> etc. about OpenSim from all over the hypergrid. Feel free to sign up:  
>> http://taos.name/
>>
>> P.S.: Anyone already registered on opensim-creations.com can just use  
>> their username and password for the above site.
>>
>> Greetings
>> V
>>
>>> Hi Garrett. Regarding Hypergrid, I would hesitate to give a timeline.  
>>> It's a very complex and evolving architectural
>>> area. However, there is sustained interest in it.
>>>
>>> As for event listing, this is something that anybody could do at any  
>>> time, just as people in the community have done
>>> stuff such as hypergrid and shopping websites, or even virtual worlds  
>>> on demand. The OpenSimulator project really just
>>> concentrates on the core server technology.
>>>
>>> On 15/07/11 08:27, Garrett Lynch wrote:
>>>> Hi Justin
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely agree with both suggestions you made. Is there a timeline  
>>>> somewhere with some indication of how far off
>>>> some of these developments are?
>>>>
>>>> At the moment I think maybe, if people are interested, some sort of  
>>>> working group should be put together to get
>>>> things rolling. Maybe a mailing list parallel to this one would be a  
>>>> quick and easy way to gauge interest and see how
>>>> culture, events could be developed in world.
>>>>
>>>> Garrett
>>>> _________________
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://www.asquare.org/
>>>> http://www.asquare.org/networkresearch/
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Jul 2011, at 03:14, [hidden email]  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think getting more people is critical.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why I find the Hypergrid idea so interesting. If people from  
>>>>> different installations of OpenSim can just cross
>>>>> to other installations then every new OpenSim server adds more  
>>>>> population to the whole system (network effect). Things
>>>>> become more like the web.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the moment, there are big challenges due to  
>>>>> architectural/security limitations (e.g. having to route everything
>>>>> through the servers, the 4096 region bug, etc.).
>>>>>
>>>>> Another idea which I think might help is a website listing events  
>>>>> taking place on different grids or even virtual
>>>>> environments. Then there's one single place for people to find out  
>>>>> where others might actually be gathering. Then the
>>>>> challenge becomes easily accessing those spaces.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Opensim-users mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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>
>
>> For my view of the lack of community in the OS, I think there is plenty
>> going on but a central calendar would be a boost when it comes to finding
>> out about events, exhibits, content, etc. Also, for the calendar to be of
>> maximum use, my view is that it needs to be attached to the <http://OpenSim.org>OpenSim.org <http://OpenSim.org>
>> site (rather than attached to any of the individual grids in the OS).
>
> Yes a calendar of events would be a huge help and I agree completely that it should be at opensim.org
> <http://opensim.org> to be impartial to all grids or it should be run by a group who are not connected to any single
> initiative.

I'm not sure that having it on opensimulator.org would be that good since that could favour that site more than anywhere
else, discouraging a diversity of ideas.  Also, one could argue that people at opensimulator.org could be equally
biased, against alternative simulator software if nothing else.

Having said that, I don't personally have a problem if someone wanted to set up an events page on opensimulator.org
similar to the existing grids page.  A wiki might not be the best format but at least everyone would have a chance to edit.

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The last time this came up, I suggested that those organizing events use something like Google Calendars since they can be aggregated independently based upon interest, and the work is distributed among all the groups/grids/people who are holding events.  For an example, see the calendar at http://homepages.uc.edu/secondlife2/?page_id=45.

In my experience, it's very hard to get people to update "your" calendar, but they can be encouraged to get in the habit of updating "their" calendar and if it's in a format where others can subscribe or aggregate the data and easily embed it, all the better.  Many educational groups on the SLED list used this system for years since the Second Life Events system was so spammy.

Once the information is available and public, then some dedicated person(s) can help publicize that in a variety of ways, but the real rub is trying to get people to submit the information in a way that can be easily aggregated.  

My pennies in the bucket..

Sincerely,

- Chris/Fleep


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On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Justin Clark-Casey <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 16/07/11 19:36, Garrett Lynch wrote:


For my view of the lack of community in the OS, I think there is plenty
going on but a central calendar would be a boost when it comes to finding
out about events, exhibits, content, etc. Also, for the calendar to be of
maximum use, my view is that it needs to be attached to the <http://OpenSim.org>OpenSim.org <http://OpenSim.org>

site (rather than attached to any of the individual grids in the OS).

Yes a calendar of events would be a huge help and I agree completely that it should be at opensim.org
<http://opensim.org> to be impartial to all grids or it should be run by a group who are not connected to any single
initiative.

I'm not sure that having it on opensimulator.org would be that good since that could favour that site more than anywhere else, discouraging a diversity of ideas.  Also, one could argue that people at opensimulator.org could be equally biased, against alternative simulator software if nothing else.

Having said that, I don't personally have a problem if someone wanted to set up an events page on opensimulator.org similar to the existing grids page.  A wiki might not be the best format but at least everyone would have a chance to edit.


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[Re:  (1) Fleep's suggestion to use a central Google calendar for OS events and activities, and (2) Justin's suggestion that the OS calendar or more accurately, a calendar in the form of a Wiki be added to the OpenSim.org site] Can we do both?  That is, I am currently using a non sync-ed calendar on my iPad and do not know about all of the ins-and-outs of using Google calendars.  Still, my understanding is that if an OS Google calendar is created, it can, in turn, be embedded in different web pages (?).
 
On a related topic, is there any interest in a "Meet the [OS] Neighbors Open House Event"?  More specifically, set aside a week when we can open up our different virtual world or spaces to self and/or guided tours (?). 
 
Best,
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I'd be quite happy if anybody or any group wants to get such a calender together and maintain it on the
opensimulator.org wiki.  I think it's possible to embed a Google calendar in there.

As for "Meet the Neighbours", this is what the HGAC group was doing until fairly recently.  See
http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/hypergrid-adventurers-club/.  Perhaps this would be a good group to revive for this
(though that is HG oriented)?

On 18/07/11 16:26, Kay McLennan wrote:

> [Re:  (1) Fleep's suggestion to use a central Google calendar for OS events and activities, and (2) Justin's suggestion
> that the OS calendar or more accurately, a calendar in the form of a Wiki be added to the OpenSim.org site] Can we do
> both?  That is, I am currently using a non sync-ed calendar on my iPad and do not know about all of the ins-and-outs of
> using Google calendars.  Still, my understanding is that if an OS Google calendar is created, it can, in turn, be
> embedded in different web pages (?).
> On a related topic, is there any interest in a "Meet the [OS] Neighbors Open House Event"?  More specifically, set aside
> a week when we can open up our different virtual world or spaces to self and/or guided tours (?).
> Best,
> Kay
>
>
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