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Re: Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

Fred Beckhusen-2
I would not use the Hosts file 'trick' on a server that also has the
viewer.  The fact that you need to edit hosts file indicates that the
router cannot loopback.    I use the Microsoft Loopback Adapter.

What happens is that the server broadcasts your public DNS name to
clients not as a name, but as an address.    The server first does a DNS
lookup and via hosts, finds the 127.0.0.1 loopback.   It will broadcast
this 127.0.0.1 address  to a remote WAN client, and they cannot
connect.    Yet it works for you.    But without loopback, you cannot
connect.

On Windows, you can add a software loopback adapter for the Public Port
to loopback the public IP to the server, which allows the server to send
the public IP to clients.

Installation instructions:
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708322(v=ws.10).aspx

Once it is installed you have  to set it up.  It will be in the Control
Panel->Network Connections, as "NAT Loopback".  Its just like an
Ethernet driver.   Open it, and find Internet Protocol Version 4
(TCP/IPv4) and change its properties.  I click "Use the following IP
address" and enter my PUBLIC IP in the IP Address box.   No Gateway is
needed.  Under DNS, I used my routers IP address so it can do the DNS
lookups.    Or you can use Googles super DNS of 8.8.8.8. and 8.8.4.4

Once enabled, this will make any reference to the Public IP address
route right back to the system itself,  just as the router should do.    
And WAN users get the correct Public IP sent to them, instead of 127.0.0.1


Ferd Frederix
http://www.outworldz.com


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> From: Isis Ophelia <[hidden email]>
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> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home
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> Thank you Garmin. I have configured my internet connection to be a static
> internal IP which is 192.168.2.10. Following your suggestion I replaced the
> 0.0.0.0 with that IP.
> Result is: The console shows:
> 17:48:30 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Welcome authenticated and authorized
> incoming
> root agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 (circuit code
> 40308
> 2697)
>
> And the viewer tells me: We are having problems connecting. There might be
> a problem with your internet connection or the Arcana World Grid.
> So pity this does not help :(
> Thank so much though :)
>
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Re: Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

Isis Ophelia
Thanks so much Fred, your explanation was exactly what I needed to configure the Windows Loopback Adapter. I will remove the line in the Hosts file and configure the Adapter and see if that helps me.

A question. Do I need to do anything to the Etherneth connection? I mean right now I had configured it so that this PC got a static internal IP 192.168.2.10. Do I leave it alone and do nothing to it and just configure the windows loopback adapter?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Fred Beckhusen <[hidden email]> wrote:
I would not use the Hosts file 'trick' on a server that also has the viewer.  The fact that you need to edit hosts file indicates that the router cannot loopback.    I use the Microsoft Loopback Adapter.

What happens is that the server broadcasts your public DNS name to clients not as a name, but as an address.    The server first does a DNS lookup and via hosts, finds the 127.0.0.1 loopback.   It will broadcast this 127.0.0.1 address  to a remote WAN client, and they cannot connect.    Yet it works for you.    But without loopback, you cannot connect.

On Windows, you can add a software loopback adapter for the Public Port to loopback the public IP to the server, which allows the server to send the public IP to clients.

Installation instructions: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708322(v=ws.10).aspx

Once it is installed you have  to set it up.  It will be in the Control Panel->Network Connections, as "NAT Loopback".  Its just like an Ethernet driver.   Open it, and find Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) and change its properties.  I click "Use the following IP address" and enter my PUBLIC IP in the IP Address box.   No Gateway is needed.  Under DNS, I used my routers IP address so it can do the DNS lookups.    Or you can use Googles super DNS of 8.8.8.8. and 8.8.4.4

Once enabled, this will make any reference to the Public IP address route right back to the system itself,  just as the router should do.    And WAN users get the correct Public IP sent to them, instead of 127.0.0.1


Ferd Frederix
http://www.outworldz.com


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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:54:13 +0200
From: Isis Ophelia <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home
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        <CAN5TJuReDxagLKBbrCzyByfL=9_Xw7=[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thank you Garmin. I have configured my internet connection to be a static
internal IP which is 192.168.2.10. Following your suggestion I replaced the
0.0.0.0 with that IP.
Result is: The console shows:
17:48:30 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Welcome authenticated and authorized
incoming
root agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 (circuit code
40308
2697)

And the viewer tells me: We are having problems connecting. There might be
a problem with your internet connection or the Arcana World Grid.
So pity this does not help :(
Thank so much though :)

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Re: Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

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Keep in mind this is only going to work for that one PC you add the windows loopback adapter to.  For instance, if you happen to have a another computer on your network that you try to connect to the server you are running on your primary computer, it will have the same problem you are having now.  You have the loopback function taking place at the point you connect to your local network so other computers on your local network know nothing at all about it and depend on the router to do loopback, which it can’t.  However this other computer will work just fine out  on the global opensim worlds because it does not need loopback to work  with servers that are not on your local network.
 
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Thanks so much Fred, your explanation was exactly what I needed to configure the Windows Loopback Adapter. I will remove the line in the Hosts file and configure the Adapter and see if that helps me.

A question. Do I need to do anything to the Etherneth connection? I mean right now I had configured it so that this PC got a static internal IP 192.168.2.10. Do I leave it alone and do nothing to it and just configure the windows loopback adapter?
 
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Fred Beckhusen <[hidden email]> wrote:
I would not use the Hosts file 'trick' on a server that also has the viewer.  The fact that you need to edit hosts file indicates that the router cannot loopback.    I use the Microsoft Loopback Adapter.

What happens is that the server broadcasts your public DNS name to clients not as a name, but as an address.    The server first does a DNS lookup and via hosts, finds the 127.0.0.1 loopback.   It will broadcast this 127.0.0.1 address  to a remote WAN client, and they cannot connect.    Yet it works for you.    But without loopback, you cannot connect.

On Windows, you can add a software loopback adapter for the Public Port to loopback the public IP to the server, which allows the server to send the public IP to clients.

Installation instructions: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708322(v=ws.10).aspx

Once it is installed you have  to set it up.  It will be in the Control Panel->Network Connections, as "NAT Loopback".  Its just like an Ethernet driver.   Open it, and find Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) and change its properties.  I click "Use the following IP address" and enter my PUBLIC IP in the IP Address box.   No Gateway is needed.  Under DNS, I used my routers IP address so it can do the DNS lookups.    Or you can use Googles super DNS of 8.8.8.8. and 8.8.4.4

Once enabled, this will make any reference to the Public IP address route right back to the system itself,  just as the router should do.    And WAN users get the correct Public IP sent to them, instead of 127.0.0.1


Ferd Frederix
http://www.outworldz.com


On 2015-10-21 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:54:13 +0200
From: Isis Ophelia <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home
Message-ID:
        <CAN5TJuReDxagLKBbrCzyByfL=9_Xw7=[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thank you Garmin. I have configured my internet connection to be a static
internal IP which is 192.168.2.10. Following your suggestion I replaced the
0.0.0.0 with that IP.
Result is: The console shows:
17:48:30 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Welcome authenticated and authorized
incoming
root agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 (circuit code
40308
2697)

And the viewer tells me: We are having problems connecting. There might be
a problem with your internet connection or the Arcana World Grid.
So pity this does not help :(
Thank so much though :)

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Re: Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

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Don’t change the Ethernet one, keep it set with the static IP or router won’t know where to go for outside connection to the server. So an outside connection would go cloud -> Your router -> server machine (Ethernet card) -> server.

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

 

Thanks so much Fred, your explanation was exactly what I needed to configure the Windows Loopback Adapter. I will remove the line in the Hosts file and configure the Adapter and see if that helps me.

A question. Do I need to do anything to the Etherneth connection? I mean right now I had configured it so that this PC got a static internal IP 192.168.2.10. Do I leave it alone and do nothing to it and just configure the windows loopback adapter?

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Fred Beckhusen <[hidden email]> wrote:

I would not use the Hosts file 'trick' on a server that also has the viewer.  The fact that you need to edit hosts file indicates that the router cannot loopback.    I use the Microsoft Loopback Adapter.

What happens is that the server broadcasts your public DNS name to clients not as a name, but as an address.    The server first does a DNS lookup and via hosts, finds the 127.0.0.1 loopback.   It will broadcast this 127.0.0.1 address  to a remote WAN client, and they cannot connect.    Yet it works for you.    But without loopback, you cannot connect.

On Windows, you can add a software loopback adapter for the Public Port to loopback the public IP to the server, which allows the server to send the public IP to clients.

Installation instructions: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708322(v=ws.10).aspx

Once it is installed you have  to set it up.  It will be in the Control Panel->Network Connections, as "NAT Loopback".  Its just like an Ethernet driver.   Open it, and find Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) and change its properties.  I click "Use the following IP address" and enter my PUBLIC IP in the IP Address box.   No Gateway is needed.  Under DNS, I used my routers IP address so it can do the DNS lookups.    Or you can use Googles super DNS of 8.8.8.8. and 8.8.4.4

Once enabled, this will make any reference to the Public IP address route right back to the system itself,  just as the router should do.    And WAN users get the correct Public IP sent to them, instead of 127.0.0.1


Ferd Frederix
http://www.outworldz.com


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    1. Re: HG - Not able to teleport back home (Isis Ophelia)


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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:54:13 +0200
From: Isis Ophelia <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home
Message-ID:
        <CAN5TJuReDxagLKBbrCzyByfL=9_Xw7=[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thank you Garmin. I have configured my internet connection to be a static
internal IP which is 192.168.2.10. Following your suggestion I replaced the
0.0.0.0 with that IP.
Result is: The console shows:
17:48:30 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Welcome authenticated and authorized
incoming
root agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 (circuit code
40308
2697)

And the viewer tells me: We are having problems connecting. There might be
a problem with your internet connection or the Arcana World Grid.
So pity this does not help :(
Thank so much though :)

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Re: Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

ssm2017

Hello
Im not a windows user but these informations look precious.
Is it possible for someone to add this procedure on the opensimulator wiki ?

Le 22 oct. 2015 05:00, "David P. Giffen" <[hidden email]> a écrit :

Don’t change the Ethernet one, keep it set with the static IP or router won’t know where to go for outside connection to the server. So an outside connection would go cloud -> Your router -> server machine (Ethernet card) -> server.

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Isis Ophelia
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:09 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

 

Thanks so much Fred, your explanation was exactly what I needed to configure the Windows Loopback Adapter. I will remove the line in the Hosts file and configure the Adapter and see if that helps me.

A question. Do I need to do anything to the Etherneth connection? I mean right now I had configured it so that this PC got a static internal IP 192.168.2.10. Do I leave it alone and do nothing to it and just configure the windows loopback adapter?

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Fred Beckhusen <[hidden email]> wrote:

I would not use the Hosts file 'trick' on a server that also has the viewer.  The fact that you need to edit hosts file indicates that the router cannot loopback.    I use the Microsoft Loopback Adapter.

What happens is that the server broadcasts your public DNS name to clients not as a name, but as an address.    The server first does a DNS lookup and via hosts, finds the 127.0.0.1 loopback.   It will broadcast this 127.0.0.1 address  to a remote WAN client, and they cannot connect.    Yet it works for you.    But without loopback, you cannot connect.

On Windows, you can add a software loopback adapter for the Public Port to loopback the public IP to the server, which allows the server to send the public IP to clients.

Installation instructions: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708322(v=ws.10).aspx

Once it is installed you have  to set it up.  It will be in the Control Panel->Network Connections, as "NAT Loopback".  Its just like an Ethernet driver.   Open it, and find Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) and change its properties.  I click "Use the following IP address" and enter my PUBLIC IP in the IP Address box.   No Gateway is needed.  Under DNS, I used my routers IP address so it can do the DNS lookups.    Or you can use Googles super DNS of 8.8.8.8. and 8.8.4.4

Once enabled, this will make any reference to the Public IP address route right back to the system itself,  just as the router should do.    And WAN users get the correct Public IP sent to them, instead of 127.0.0.1


Ferd Frederix
http://www.outworldz.com


On 2015-10-21 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

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    1. Re: HG - Not able to teleport back home (Isis Ophelia)


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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:54:13 +0200
From: Isis Ophelia <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home
Message-ID:
        <CAN5TJuReDxagLKBbrCzyByfL=9_Xw7=[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thank you Garmin. I have configured my internet connection to be a static
internal IP which is 192.168.2.10. Following your suggestion I replaced the
0.0.0.0 with that IP.
Result is: The console shows:
17:48:30 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Welcome authenticated and authorized
incoming
root agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 (circuit code
40308
2697)

And the viewer tells me: We are having problems connecting. There might be
a problem with your internet connection or the Arcana World Grid.
So pity this does not help :(
Thank so much though :)

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Re: Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

Isis Ophelia
Hello ssm2017, if you mean how to set a standalone HG enable using diva, this might be something for you. Because I had it so hard to find actual tutorials, I made a Google Plus community and wrote a Doc on "How to" set a standalone. The doc is open to everyone, no need to be member of the community. But the intention of that group it's to exchange and help each other in setting a standalone. Here the link to the community: But I must mention that the members have been silent lol but maybe some experts will join some time and people will bring in more their questions and problems into the group.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/113101583047680567619

And below the direct link to the Folder with the Doc explaining how I set my standaloneto

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:23 AM, ssm2017 <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello
Im not a windows user but these informations look precious.
Is it possible for someone to add this procedure on the opensimulator wiki ?

Le 22 oct. 2015 05:00, "David P. Giffen" <[hidden email]> a écrit :

Don’t change the Ethernet one, keep it set with the static IP or router won’t know where to go for outside connection to the server. So an outside connection would go cloud -> Your router -> server machine (Ethernet card) -> server.

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Isis Ophelia
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:09 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Opensim-users Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

 

Thanks so much Fred, your explanation was exactly what I needed to configure the Windows Loopback Adapter. I will remove the line in the Hosts file and configure the Adapter and see if that helps me.

A question. Do I need to do anything to the Etherneth connection? I mean right now I had configured it so that this PC got a static internal IP 192.168.2.10. Do I leave it alone and do nothing to it and just configure the windows loopback adapter?

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Fred Beckhusen <[hidden email]> wrote:

I would not use the Hosts file 'trick' on a server that also has the viewer.  The fact that you need to edit hosts file indicates that the router cannot loopback.    I use the Microsoft Loopback Adapter.

What happens is that the server broadcasts your public DNS name to clients not as a name, but as an address.    The server first does a DNS lookup and via hosts, finds the 127.0.0.1 loopback.   It will broadcast this 127.0.0.1 address  to a remote WAN client, and they cannot connect.    Yet it works for you.    But without loopback, you cannot connect.

On Windows, you can add a software loopback adapter for the Public Port to loopback the public IP to the server, which allows the server to send the public IP to clients.

Installation instructions: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708322(v=ws.10).aspx

Once it is installed you have  to set it up.  It will be in the Control Panel->Network Connections, as "NAT Loopback".  Its just like an Ethernet driver.   Open it, and find Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) and change its properties.  I click "Use the following IP address" and enter my PUBLIC IP in the IP Address box.   No Gateway is needed.  Under DNS, I used my routers IP address so it can do the DNS lookups.    Or you can use Googles super DNS of 8.8.8.8. and 8.8.4.4

Once enabled, this will make any reference to the Public IP address route right back to the system itself,  just as the router should do.    And WAN users get the correct Public IP sent to them, instead of 127.0.0.1


Ferd Frederix
http://www.outworldz.com


On 2015-10-21 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

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    1. Re: HG - Not able to teleport back home (Isis Ophelia)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:54:13 +0200
From: Isis Ophelia <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home
Message-ID:
        <CAN5TJuReDxagLKBbrCzyByfL=9_Xw7=[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thank you Garmin. I have configured my internet connection to be a static
internal IP which is 192.168.2.10. Following your suggestion I replaced the
0.0.0.0 with that IP.
Result is: The console shows:
17:48:30 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Welcome authenticated and authorized
incoming
root agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 (circuit code
40308
2697)

And the viewer tells me: We are having problems connecting. There might be
a problem with your internet connection or the Arcana World Grid.
So pity this does not help :(
Thank so much though :)

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