[UPDATE 12-27-12] HyperGrid Issues

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[UPDATE 12-27-12] HyperGrid Issues

Randy Pierce

Chris,

 

I have been trying different things.

-          I tried your idea of logging in using the same computer as my grid is running on. First it did not work.

-          So I tried changing my viewer. I have always had good luck running the HippoViewer. Changed over to Imprudence. Still did not work.

-          Tried resetting my grid back to just grid and restarting. Tried hypergrid again (knowing it would not work). I did, however, see a different response than “unable to verify identity”. This time is was “possible communication failure”. This is good I thought.

-          Reset my grid back to HyperGrid and tried it again and still did not work. Rechecked my HyperGate and reset all of its inner scripts. Tried another gate. Still not working, but same communications failure response. This is still a good favorable response.

-          Now I was getting curious. I tried more and more of the busy gates until … viola!!!! I found one that would work. I made it back into the HyperGrid!

-          My next project was to take myself from the robust computer and back onto my high speed system I’ve always used. This is simply another 192.168.x.xxx machine behind my firewall. That also worked.

-          FYI: the busy gate I could get into is: Burgenland

 

So now I have HyperGrid. Not what I wanted but I got it.

 

Now I am back to my original issues:

 

(1)    I want to know if anyone has successfully split regions across multiple computer systems? I know that multiple instances can be done (and Chris I may have to make contact with you on that). I need extremely specific details of how it was done.

(2)    Same as #1, above, except I need explicit directions of how to split Robust services across a network. If it can be done, I need the fine details of how.

(3)    We have a superb project with OpenSim and I like it very much. The cons: nearly everything that is past the basic setups are done in a Linux/Unbuntu system configuration. Some of us use Windows systems too. We need to begin writing our documents with this in mind.

 

I recommend to the group, if you write something down for future use, please specify what system you are running it under.

 

Randy

 

From: Fleep Tuque [via opensim-users] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:23 AM
To: Randy Pierce
Subject: Re: HyperGrid Issues

 

I forgot to add, if you're serious about running your own publicly accessible Opensim grid from home, I'm a big fan of registering an actual domain name and getting a static IP address from your ISP - that resolved nearly all the networking issues I ran into when I was first trying to set up FleepGrid. I never could get the dyndns and NAT loopback stuff working properly on my network.

 

Sincerely,

 

- Chris/Fleep

 

 

Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque)

Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM)

UCIT Instructional & Research Computing

University of Cincinnati

406A Zimmer Hall

315 College Drive

PO BOX 210088

Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088

(513) 556-3018

Changing the world - one prim at a time! The Insight Concepts Grid http://gcse.dyndns.org:8002
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Re: [UPDATE 12-27-12] HyperGrid Issues

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Randy,
 
I hesitated to post again after the last post you gave about reading your full post before suggesting.   I would like to remind that the OpenSim community here is purely volunteers..  And everyone here on the list here is also a volunteer, I tend to take the suggestions here with a grain of salt and take all the information and use it as it works for me..      Please excuse me if I sound rude here..   But I was a little taken back Randy by your previous post...   I was trying to help I just did not understand your network situation as the "verifying ip issue" tends to be a network addressing problem..  And Ip issues are never a simple setup..  
 
Oh FYI:  As for the documentation on the OpenSim site, for my experience with the documentation for the most part it is written so that is OS generic unless OS specific details are needed.. And from experience writing documentation..  MY hats off to the people who volunteer their time to write the documentation...
 
Now Randy to answer your question...  
 
Yes it is very possible to run multiple instances of opensim on multiple computers..   My grid is setup that way..
1 computer has 5 instances of opensim running on it, while another computer has another 5 instances of opensim running on it..   Also My robust is running on another computer...  oh just for info my webserver running things like groups, offline messages, search and of course my main website is running on another computer..  And as per your request I am on Ubuntu doing just that..  I have ran Opensim on windows in the past and found that the operating over head of windows became a problem but I am experienced at running windows in any situtation..   
 
As far as details on how to setup a grid with distributed network with multiple instances on multiple computers..
The setup is basically the same you just have to specify in your GridCommon.ini of each instance of opensim to point to the ip of the your robust server (notice I said IP, if all the computers are on the same network and not across the internet or through a firewall you can use your internal network ips.. ) the exception being where the references to hypergrid in the Gridcommon.ini  then you need to put your actual domain name in those references.  I suggest you also use different ports under network section of the opensim.ini  for each for each instance of opensim you run even if they are on different computers..   Keep track of each port you use so you do not get confused..    If you do as I suggested you will have to open up the different port ranges on your firewall/router to each of the computers you run to allow network traffic in from the internet.  That is one way I have setup my grid and seems to work well..  Oh just a small note here,  I run an instance of mysql server on each machine just to reduce network traffic, though I seem to recall that windows maybe a little different with it's over head and computer..  And all this information is documented either on the website or as notes in the actual .ini's themselves...  
 
As a few people has pointed out, Justin being one of them..   Opensim runs very well on a distributed network provided you have the money, network and resources to setup such a grid..
 
 Oh one more note Randy if you still interested in splitting your robust it works also.  I have ran a split robust on hypergrid 1.5 it worked well but I did run into some issues with between grid IMs and transferring item between one user on one grid and another user on another grid..  I have not tried under hypergrid 2.0,  I changed direction and did not continue working with a split robust..  but here is the link for doing that:
http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration the information is about 2/3s down the page, Justin did a great job of documenting that information..  Perhaps if I get another computer to run another instance of robust I will try to split my robust up more or at least split the asset server off my main robust like OSgrid has..
 
Randy if you need any more info or want more detailed info here is my email addy, as more detail information on the list may drag this thread out a little longer then it should... 
 
Thanks,
Todd
 
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Opensim-users] [UPDATE 12-27-12] HyperGrid Issues
From: Randy Pierce <[hidden email]>
Date: Thu, December 27, 2012 10:54 pm
To: [hidden email]

Chris,
 
I have been trying different things.
-          I tried your idea of logging in using the same computer as my grid is running on. First it did not work.
-          So I tried changing my viewer. I have always had good luck running the HippoViewer. Changed over to Imprudence. Still did not work.
-          Tried resetting my grid back to just grid and restarting. Tried hypergrid again (knowing it would not work). I did, however, see a different response than “unable to verify identity”. This time is was “possible communication failure”. This is good I thought.
-          Reset my grid back to HyperGrid and tried it again and still did not work. Rechecked my HyperGate and reset all of its inner scripts. Tried another gate. Still not working, but same communications failure response. This is still a good favorable response.
-          Now I was getting curious. I tried more and more of the busy gates until … viola!!!! I found one that would work. I made it back into the HyperGrid!
-          My next project was to take myself from the robust computer and back onto my high speed system I’ve always used. This is simply another 192.168.x.xxx machine behind my firewall. That also worked.
-          FYI: the busy gate I could get into is: Burgenland
 
So now I have HyperGrid. Not what I wanted but I got it.
 
Now I am back to my original issues:
 
(1)    I want to know if anyone has successfully split regions across multiple computer systems? I know that multiple instances can be done (and Chris I may have to make contact with you on that). I need extremely specific details of how it was done.
(2)    Same as #1, above, except I need explicit directions of how to split Robust services across a network. If it can be done, I need the fine details of how.
(3)    We have a superb project with OpenSim and I like it very much. The cons: nearly everything that is past the basic setups are done in a Linux/Unbuntu system configuration. Some of us use Windows systems too. We need to begin writing our documents with this in mind.
 
I recommend to the group, if you write something down for future use, please specify what system you are running it under.
 
Randy
From: Fleep Tuque [via opensim-users] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:23 AM
To: Randy Pierce
Subject: Re: HyperGrid Issues
 
I forgot to add, if you're serious about running your own publicly accessible Opensim grid from home, I'm a big fan of registering an actual domain name and getting a static IP address from your ISP - that resolved nearly all the networking issues I ran into when I was first trying to set up FleepGrid. I never could get the dyndns and NAT loopback stuff working properly on my network.
 
Sincerely,
 
- Chris/Fleep
 
 
Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque)
Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM)
UCIT Instructional & Research Computing
University of Cincinnati
406A Zimmer Hall
315 College Drive
PO BOX 210088
Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
(513) 556-3018


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