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paul emery
I think the hardest thing to explain to a first time os stand-alone user is how to get the uri into the grid manager after they install the client. So, I like the idea of using sl client with arguments (as in a windows shortcut) pointed at the standalone. But explaining how to put the shortcut arguments in would probably be harder then explaining the grid manager. So, I got me a shareware install creator and used it to package up the installed sl viewer folders into one exe file to include a desktop shortcut with arguments pointing to the install director. Now a person can click on a website link to download and install one file which puts sl client in its default place and also puts a shortcut on the desktop with argument to start sl viewer. This link can be on our wifi page for them to use after they register their account and get their ava name.

It works ok other then takes a long time to install the exe.

Is this crazy or a good idea or maybe a violation of how to use the sl viewer? Anyway feed back welcome. Don't be afraid to tell me if this is a crack pot idea.
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Re: toward a more simple first time log in

Karen Palen
I don't know about the SL viewer restrictions, but a much simpler
strategy would be to use something like the Imprudence viewer which
includes a Grid Manager!

Many of the newer viewers (like Imprudence) include other features which
are useful on OpenSim.

Karen

On 07/31/2011 06:00 PM, paul emery wrote:

> I think the hardest thing to explain to a first time os stand-alone user is
> how to get the uri into the grid manager after they install the client. So,
> I like the idea of using sl client with arguments (as in a windows shortcut)
> pointed at the standalone. But explaining how to put the shortcut arguments
> in would probably be harder then explaining the grid manager. So, I got me a
> shareware install creator and used it to package up the installed sl viewer
> folders into one exe file to include a desktop shortcut with arguments
> pointing to the install director. Now a person can click on a website link
> to download and install one file which puts sl client in its default place
> and also puts a shortcut on the desktop with argument to start sl viewer.
> This link can be on our wifi page for them to use after they register their
> account and get their ava name.
>
> It works ok other then takes a long time to install the exe.
>
> Is this crazy or a good idea or maybe a violation of how to use the sl
> viewer? Anyway feed back welcome. Don't be afraid to tell me if this is a
> crack pot idea.
>
>
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paul emery
Well it was the Imprudence client that I was talking about when i said, "I think the hardest thing to explain to a first time os stand-alone user is how to get the uri into the grid manager after they install the client." but maybe others don't find this to be that much of a hurdle.
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InuYasha Meiji
Maybe just a comprehensive web page with screen captured images with little arrows and circles would help you out.  Some people, especially newbies to opensim, need every little thing pointed out.  Simply text don't help some people know what you are talking about.  I plan to do this for Hippo and Imprudence soon myself.  Slow work, but it will get there.

Your friend in opensim,
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On 8/1/2011 11:16 AM, paul emery wrote:
Well it was the Imprudence client that I was talking about when i said, "I
think the hardest thing to explain to a first time os stand-alone user is
how to get the uri into the grid manager after they install the client." but
maybe others don't find this to be that much of a hurdle.

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Ener Hax
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Hello Paul, your query is not a strange one - teaching someone how to log into a specific grid is not an easy task. It is more daunting than creating a Facebook account so for the average person explaining how to simply download a viewer, such as Imprudence, can be challenging.

My perspective is from one that will be delivering an OpenSim component to a parent, teacher, and/or student - most likely to someone that has never heard of OpenSim (or Second life).

I think the best option at this time is to create an online tutorial for this trying to anticipate those hurdles the best you can - such as "why do I need to install a program?" and "what is a grid?" plus the manner in which to actually add the URI to the Grid Manager.

I will be creating such a resource in the coming month or so and it will be both as a web page and a video. You should ideally make such a tutorial to reflect your exact specifics.

Perhaps you could even hire someone to add your grid to the Grid Manager or make it the default choice for a version you would distribute directly to your audience.
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Re: toward a more simple first time log in

Marcus Alexander Link
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How about a limited "starter account" type - without inventory or the
need to use your email address to get started.
If a new resident don't sign up completely, the account could be set
to be automatically deleted after a certain period of time. Being able
to try the simulation before you deploy your credentials is essential.

They could get in, try and decide if they want to continue.
The "no iventory" account type could also be the basis for some type
of business model for OpenSim Worlds.

Can we do that?

.marcus

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:48 PM, InuYasha Meiji <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Maybe just a comprehensive web page with screen captured images with little
> arrows and circles would help you out.  Some people, especially newbies to
> opensim, need every little thing pointed out.  Simply text don't help some
> people know what you are talking about.  I plan to do this for Hippo and
> Imprudence soon myself.  Slow work, but it will get there.
>
> Your friend in opensim,
> InuYasha
>
>
> On 8/1/2011 11:16 AM, paul emery wrote:
>
> Well it was the Imprudence client that I was talking about when i said, "I
> think the hardest thing to explain to a first time os stand-alone user is
> how to get the uri into the grid manager after they install the client." but
> maybe others don't find this to be that much of a hurdle.
>
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Re: toward a more simple first time log in

paul emery
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These are some interesting responses. However in my quest for simple First Time Log in I have tried

1. tutorial both screen shots and video here is an example of how i did it with a video.
http://3dcolab.com/subfolders/3dintro/getstarted.htm

2. I have created a distribution copy of imprudence with our standalone already included as the default in the grid manager, or actually as the ONLY grid in the grid manager. It is a matter of changing the xml files that go with the distribution.
http://forums.kokuaviewer.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=359

3. I still think it would be great to make it a matter of click/download/install/enter credential. So here is my first attempt. This page asks the user to :
a. get an account using wifi then
b. download "a viewer" and finally
c. click on the short cut that appears on their desk top and enter name/pw to get in.
http://3dcolab.com/quicklogger/

Diva's great wifi set up allows you to either let anybody in or require email confirmation. It also allows you to delete accounts.

So, any comments appreciated.